MOST AMERICANS SPOKE NORSE discussion.

HISTORY DISCUSSION of

MOST AMERICANS SPOKE NORSE

Stuart Harris, Roquebrun, France July 14, 2016 

Don Greene, Chief, Appalachian Shawnee Tribe
 Myron Paine, LENAPE Scholar 

Stuart Harris wrote:
Perhaps 'all' Americans is a little excessive, but you make a point. If Algonquin has a Norse base, they may be latecomers.

 Myron Paine replied, I used the word “Most.”  Reider T. Sherwin compiled over 15,000 American words and compared them to Old Norse phrases to demonstrate that the “Algonquin Indian language is Old Norse.”

The Americans, who have descended from the people, who the academics call "Algonquin," are the largest group of Americans.  Therefore, I think “MOST AMERICANS SPOKE NORSE” is a valid paradigm.

Yes, the Norse were late comers.  The English, who invaded America after them are the latest comers.  

Because the Doctrine of Discovery should have assigned America to Iceland or Norway, the English have suppressed the Norse presence for four centuries.

Norse language is a fairly late arrival in Europe, as I recall.

Unless you think “fairly late” is 2,200 BC, I disagree with that statement.  I believe the Norse language began to develop from the Shore Language which may have been in place on most shores on both sides of the Atlantic by 2,200 BC.

The SHORE language proposed by
Barry Cunliff in the CELTS.

They were chased out of the Black Sea by Romans around 65 BC,

That statement agrees with my paradigm wherein the land powers pushed the people speaking the shore language off the shore.

migrated north to Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.

My paradigm is that the shore language was already on shore around the Baltic Sea by 2,200 BC

Anything earlier requires they depart from the Black Sea and pass through Greek-Roman-Etruscan-Carthaginian-Egyptian territories, not so easy.

My paradigm has about 200 ships per year rowing out of the Mediteranean.  Those ships carried about 3,000 people peryear for a thousand years,along the northern copper haulers route to America.  The task was not easy, but rowing to America only required many days of rowing with no more than five (5) days rowing legs between a few lands.

So, yes, I do think about 200 boats and 3,000 people rowed out of the Mediterranean each year to destinations around Lake Superior and the Mississippi Basin.  All along the way, they were able to trade with the people on shore,

 who spoke the shore language.

Even in 2,200 BC most Americans spoke the shore language—which was later later named "Norse."

Or else come over on Carthaginian

 ships.

Carthaginian ships were built after the Bronze age, but their captains knew the route to America.  Despite the many illustrations of ships with sails, the captains knew they had to have enough people to row the boats.

The ships illustrated by the people on the east side of the Atlantic were COMING BACK from America with the prevailing wind behind them.

In the annuals of warfare, the destruction of Carthage was more vindictive than was necessary for the control of land.  I view that spasm of hate as a late attempt by a land power to push the shore people out to sea.

The forts along the Ohio, which date from Roman times, are evidence showing where the Carthinians may have gone.

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