In the 16th Century, not long after the
European “discovery” of the Americas, Norumbega (with varied spellings and an
uncertain etymology) began to appear on maps as the name for roughly what is
now New England. It would come to refer to a region, a river, and a city,
variously. As a city, it was apparently from the beginning legend—a place that
was said to exist (no doubt along with other cities) but which had not been
located. More than that, it came to be a downright mythical place, a city of
endless riches—something like a northern El Dorado. The story of David Ingram,
a shipwrecked English sailor who trekked all the way from the Gulf of Mexico to
New England, made the rounds:
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He saw kings decorated
with rubies six inches long; and they were borne on chairs of silver and
crystal, adorned with precious stones. He saw pearls as common as pebbles, and
the natives were laden down by their ornaments of gold and silver. The city of
Bega was three-quarters of a mile long and had many streets wider than those of
London. Some houses had massive pillars of crystal and silver
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Wikipedia wrote:
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Norumbègue, Nurumbega, etc.) was a legendary settlement in
northeastern North America, inextricably connected with attempts to demonstrate Viking incursions in New England.
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I suggested
an edit:
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Norumbègue, Nurumbega,
etc.) was a settlement in northeastern North America
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My edit was rejected.
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My response was:
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I think Norumbega should read:
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Norumbega (orNorumbègue, Nurumbega,
etc.) was a place name for modern New England on the world's maps for 144 years. (AD 1472 - 1616).
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In 1616 Robert Clerke drew Captain John
Smith's voyage to Norumbega and beyond. Clerke omitted both Canada and Norumbega from the map. Norumbega never appeared on an English
map again.
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French Maps of a century later still show Norumbega near New England.
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The French found Nauset (pronounced "Norse") in
Norumbega. The Nauset spoke a
dialect of Old Norse. Many place
names in Norumbega are Old Norse.
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The Nauset origin stories included ancient migration from Greenland and
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DNA studies show that on the northern route into the United States, the Norse people mixed with [American] peoples. That fact is 98.7 percent fact, confirmed by y-DNA.
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See evidence to support the statements above.
DNA studies show that on the northern route into the United States, the Norse people mixed with [American] peoples. That fact is 98.7 percent fact, confirmed by y-DNA.
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See evidence to support the statements above.
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“Norumbega” is the 15th century Portugese spelling for Norway. Compare the “um” syllable with “um” syllables in “Northumberland” names in Scotland, England, Canada and the United States.
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“Norumbega” is the 15th century Portugese spelling for Norway. Compare the “um” syllable with “um” syllables in “Northumberland” names in Scotland, England, Canada and the United States.
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There were only five years between the Robert Clerke map and the
Pilgrim recognition of “crosses and other antiques” on the Wampanoag men. "Crosses and other antiques” were code
words meaning “Catholics.” Roger
Williams and Thomas Morton recognized that the Wampanoag were speaking Old
Norse.
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The possibilities of Nauset Catholics as the Pilgrim’s landlords were a serious concern to the Pilgrims, who did not have a charter yet. Their apparently irrational acts: banishing Williams, sending Morton back to England in chains—three times--, and, eventually putting their landlord's head on a stake in front of the gate for 18 years, appear to reflect deep set religious beliefs rather than gaining control of land in a strange country.
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The possibilities of Nauset Catholics as the Pilgrim’s landlords were a serious concern to the Pilgrims, who did not have a charter yet. Their apparently irrational acts: banishing Williams, sending Morton back to England in chains—three times--, and, eventually putting their landlord's head on a stake in front of the gate for 18 years, appear to reflect deep set religious beliefs rather than gaining control of land in a strange country.
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The “legendary” phase of the Norumbega affair probably occurred
after the English omitted Norumbega on the 1616 map for centuries and apparently deliberately removed as
many other Norumbega maps from circulation.
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According to Captain John Smith's book on New England the name change was made by Prince Charles, who wanted to remove the "barbarian" names and replace them by English names. Captain Smith was concerned about the compatibility when other captains compared the New England map to other maps of the region. So he provided a table of the old names referenced to the new names. "Naeumbeck" (Norumbega?) was replaced by "Bastable" (Boston?).
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Prince Charles would have been a 15 year old boy, going on 16, at the time. There may have been more going on than a simple change of names on a map by a kid. Prince Charles would have been the only boy (or man) in England, who could make a wholesale name change on a map of John Smith's voyage. Maybe the royal household was more concerned about the old names hindering the English RIghts of First Discovery than strange sounding names in a foreign land.
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According to Captain John Smith's book on New England the name change was made by Prince Charles, who wanted to remove the "barbarian" names and replace them by English names. Captain Smith was concerned about the compatibility when other captains compared the New England map to other maps of the region. So he provided a table of the old names referenced to the new names. "Naeumbeck" (Norumbega?) was replaced by "Bastable" (Boston?).
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Prince Charles would have been a 15 year old boy, going on 16, at the time. There may have been more going on than a simple change of names on a map by a kid. Prince Charles would have been the only boy (or man) in England, who could make a wholesale name change on a map of John Smith's voyage. Maybe the royal household was more concerned about the old names hindering the English RIghts of First Discovery than strange sounding names in a foreign land.
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The story of David Ingram was one of those bits of information the English could not
censor. But when Ingram’s story
was published, there were no maps in North America with Norumbega on them. So
the logical thing to think is: If
there is no map of Norumbega, the story must be a legend. English authors encouraged that thinking.
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The Columbus myth was created by a deliberate censoring of historical facts that the Nauset lived in Norumbega from before 1497.
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Thomas Harriot, the scientist on the 2nd English voyage
to America, gave his report to Queen Elizabeth I. She may have discerned that the statements on religion
sounded too much like a Catholic religion. The Americans even had a Mother in every temple.
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Whatever, she never sent an official English voyage back to North
America. She even convinced her lover, Raleigh, to go to South America to fight the Spanish instead of back to his
colony.
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Elizabeth set a high moral example worthy of a great Queen.
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If the English advisors around King James I had followed that example then:
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Norumbega would still be on the map in the location of New England,
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Massachusetts, Connecticut, Narragansett, and
Wampanoag would be sub-tribes of the Nauset confederation,
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we would be speaking Old Norse,
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the English colonies
would have withdrawn according to Queen Elizabeth’s charters, and
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Plymouth Rock would be a monument to a nation with high enduring morals, who followed
its own laws.
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Alas!
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"Of course, it's important to understand that, ... the term "unoccupied lands" referred to "the lands in America which, when discovered, were 'occupied by Indians' but 'unoccupied' by Christians."
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Here is the RUB. The Norse LENAPE were Catholic Indians, who lived in 80% of North East North America. During most of the first five decades of the invasion of America, the Kings of England considered Catholics to be Christians.
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And the Pilgrims and the Puritans KNEW it.
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Alas!
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"Of course, it's important to understand that, ... the term "unoccupied lands" referred to "the lands in America which, when discovered, were 'occupied by Indians' but 'unoccupied' by Christians."
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Here is the RUB. The Norse LENAPE were Catholic Indians, who lived in 80% of North East North America. During most of the first five decades of the invasion of America, the Kings of England considered Catholics to be Christians.
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And the Pilgrims and the Puritans KNEW it.
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