WHITE MAN'S LAND

HORSE in
LENAPE HISTORY

Valdimar wrote,"
...part of the puzzle though it may be known to most every one here. 

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“It says. Icelandic merchant coming from Ireland no his way home to Iceland. Due to westerly he ends/lands in Whiteman land called Ireland the grate.”

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Myron answered, The French explorer Cartier (1534-42) made two voyages in an attempt to find “whitemandsland (a.k.a. Saguenay).”  The Americans led him astray on the first voyage by (? deliberately?) guiding him to the eastern Saguenay” area east of Quebec on the St. Lawrence Seaway.

(BTW “Saguenay-aw” means, “slow water” in Old Norse.  There are TWO  “Saguenay-aw” areas along the Lake Ontario – St. Lawrence Kanal Dal (Canada) valley.
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The episode was probably somewhere here because the direct access to the North Sea is mentioned.  The "evil" Iroquois also roamed the south side of the waterway. 

 The rapids west of MONTEAL stopped
him during the second attempt.
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(BTW the Old Norse name forMONTREAL was “Hochelaga” (a.k.a. “High Hill stratified”).  The French clarified the place name by calling it MONTREAL (Real Mountain J).

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The behavior of the Americans makes me think that they DID NOT WANT Cartier to find “Whiteman’s land.”
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The Americans immediately destroyed the large cross Cartier erected on his way home.  They might have believed—correctly--that the cross was to be a territorial marker.
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I think the second “Whiteman’s land” was in the area around Saginaw, Michigan, where the Christian themed Michigan Relics were found.

(The discs are now stored in the Michigan History Center, out of sight so the academic professors may continue to teach that no one from the east side of the Atlantic was in America before Columbus.)

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 "He and crew are imprison by Irish ''like'' speaking people and, while debate about to killing the crew, men on horses come in.  (All names in our genealogy record for last 1000 years.)

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Chieftain on that horse team walks over to speak to the Irish like speaking people (it seems like debatable if they are Irish but those merchants did lots of business with Ireland should have been sure or not) and makes deal to take those Icelanders and say’s I will take full responsibility of them. He starts talk with the Icelanders and tells them to get out right away, as those others are evil and unreliable.

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This may have been the time period when Hochelaga (a.k.a Montreal) changed hands between the Norse speaking people in the North and the Iroquois people, who ate people, in the south.
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The man on horseback may have been a Shawnee (southern Lenape) and the “evil and unreliable” people may have been the Iroquois, who ate people.
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(BTW, The brutal scorched earth campaign of General Sullivan in 1779-80 may have eliminated most Iroquois, who ate people.  The Iroquois, now, have more singers of peace and brotherhood than the average tribe.

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“Merchant chief asks who is that man who is saving us. I will not tell you my name but tell the people at home to never come here to this place, as it is not safe. I am getting old and will do my best to survive with my people. 

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“How can I thank you said the Captain of the ship.

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“Take this ring and that small sword and give the ring to the housewife at Fróðá (yes Frode river.) and the sword to her son.

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“You can visualize that story that happened around 1000 years ago.”

 (A few centuries later –about AD 1200, might be a better guess.)

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“Everybody in Iceland new (sic) that man was Björn Breidvikinga kappi. He was deported by the love of his live family and because he was not of high enough rank he became successful merchant but ended in Whiteman’s land.

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“I would not be surprised the Icelandic horses were those among the Mandan and the horses in the mountains Lewis and Clark found.”

Also the ponies near Roanoke, NC, where they still are today and where John White painted, in 1585, the “Ponies” village, which had a surronding barrier with posts spaced so that the Ponies on the outside could not walk into the village.

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The Americans traveled by boat.  They may not have wanted to torture themselves on the back of a horse.
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The English seem to have wanted to suppress the knowledge of the ponies to make the “savage pagans” appear to be so primitive that they did not even have horses.

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When the Spanish demonstrated the use of horses in war, all them mustangs, which were used by the 17^th, 18^th and 19^th century Norse on the plains, came trotting out of the hills.